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Now there's pretty much nothing there but this huge air force base, which has an alarmingly high suicide rate among the people who are stationed there. The main "tourist attraction" is this bar called the Sip and Dip, where tattooed meth addicts dressed as mermaids swim around in a giant glass tank while you get drunk.

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I got lost on my way to Japan Town and ended there. Most of New York state has been like this forever. The towns are either depressed or depressING to look at, or both. You must embrace that if you want to enjoy yourself on a self-guided car tour. Then it can be quaint at times. I'm not counting Albanyis part of the rust belt; though they both have one or two pretty and classy suburbs, respectively. Many people there complain about living there, Looking for female to become friends with never leave.

Ithaca and towns with SUNY colleges are usually overcrowded, rustic, and have become unreasonably expensive. I'm a Westchester county native, and the area depresses me when I go back to visit. That being said, I've been to every state. I don't think we're particularly the most "breathtaking" country out there overall, but to each their own.

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There are nasty areas absolutely - like in any sprawling city i. But, there are also immaculate areas with some of the most valuable real estate in the nation the PGA is HQ'd in Jacksonvilleexcellent resorts, restaurants, pedestrian malls, riding trails, art walks, etc. The central business district in Jacksonville is quite nice, with a hell of alot of hot eye candy jogging shirtless by the river front every day at lunchtime: Gary Indiana is so bad, "Life After People" filmed an episode there to show what happens when a city is abandoned and left to rot.

The only other U. What does that tell you? Hartford and it's neighbor to the north, Springfield, have both seen better days. But there are still areas of them that are decent. Are you people kidding me? Yes, they're kind of boring and bleak, but they're also in a generally lovely part Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota New England and surrounded by great towns. Gary Indiana makes Hartford look like Beverly Hills. Hartford CT used to be nice many, many years ago. Now it is a very small downtown business district surrounded by a dangerous ghetto on all sides.

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Those who could afford to leave, did. The infrastructure's been destroyed, schools are horrible, basic city services are poor at best. Local officials are now caretakers. So there are a lot of "shitholes" to pick from.

Bridgeport is a shithole extraordinaire but it fits with the so very depressing surrounding area north of it and the whole of eastern Connecticut straight up to the northeast corner.

Lacks the ocean available in states east with Atlantic coastline and is basically made up of old mill towns. Not close enough to New York or Boston where the creme congregate so that leaves you with slackers trying to be top dog in a small and shallow pond. Their sense of inferiority and defensiveness about the region is maddening and depressing.

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An overwhelming sense pervades as though you are missing out on something. Gary Indiana is in such bad shape it was featured in 'Life After People' where they showed how cities slowly decay when people abandon them.

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Newark or Camden NJ. I'd buy a crackhouse in Newark over that. It's a tie between Johnstown a African Fatima sex that time truly forgotGary which looks even more burned out and decrepit, in sheer percentages, than Detroit and Newark. Detroit has a lot of bad stuff going on, but it also has some people in politics and in planning there that have some good ideas, and it's slowly paying off.

I would not count out the Motor City just yet. R - The "truth" is that white people in this country, by and large, have implemented legislation and zoning Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota to ensure their separation from whites. You can call it what you want, but let's not even try to pretend it's NOT about race. Black neighborhoods lost value because the zoning and lending laws whites put into place sucked all the value out.

People who don't have money and don't have resources can't move next to people that do. Despite every single study ever done pointing to mixed incoming housing as the best thing for all the residents of an area, we continue to concentrate pockets of poverty - which is also normally people of color - and then wonder why people with no resources, no money and no economy in their area Beautiful older ladies want horny sex Dover over basic needs.

If you really don't think laws are racist or classist in the way they are conceived or applied, think again. It's depressing how racially charged this Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota is, but the answers are cities like Bridgeport as mentioned many times and Camden and Newark NJ. Camden was going to shut down their public library system due to a lack of public funds! As shabby as it is, Newark isn't unsafe to Sure would like some mountain pussy Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota at least in the University Heights sectionand during lunch I walk around its downtown for take-out and never felt unsafe, despite its Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota.

And I've had no problem going out to eat or visiting in certain parts of the city at night the Ironbound, Forest Hill and Weequahic sections. And the city has a more than decent mid-sized museum. I think Stockton, CA, St. Worst accents, personalities, just trashy and depressing. And the area is ugly as fuck. The Merrimack Valley is lower-middle class, Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota it isn't as bad as you describe.

I grew up in the area and its still a good place live. The urban areas of Lawrence, Lowell and Haverhill can be sketchy in places, but I would much rather live there than in Detroit, St.

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Louis, Memphis, Gary, Compton, Watns or other Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota that are far worse. I live in Andover, which is next door to Lawrence MA. It's bizarre travelling in a nice well kept wealthy town and then Haines sexual chat line second you cross the border into Lawrence, it's like the air changed or something.

A small strip mall and parking lot just off route in Andover is just yards away from the border and has become a favorite sexx for druggies to come and shoot up. Lawrence does have great Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota and some great spots and at some point will probably improve. But for now is a definite shit-hole. I'm from Little Rock, R, and am curious to hear about your experiences there.

I hate the city now and would never live there again, but I don't think it's by any means the most depressing place. It's really hard to argue with Camden--aside from the Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota venue, there is literally nothing about Camden that isn't nightmarish.

That being said, Terre Haute, In. It smells, and lots of things are named after Larry Bird. Indiana, generally, seems like an awful place. It is a smelly, depressing, pathetic shit hole of a town. Hot and humid most of the year. Most of the population is fat and retarded and to make it worse are crazy Bible thumpers.

The downtown looks like it was hit by a zombie apocolypse. A truly shitty place in every sense. Any DL'ers from the places mentioned here, specifically Camden? I'm Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota to throw in a vote for Oklahoma City.

I got lost there looking for Route 66 history and found the town to be overall depressing Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota unappealing. Particularly since the Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota treatment plant was built Calumst next to the airport -- an open-air Calymet treatment plant! There's one women who looks to be in her 70s who keeps posing nude.

Or at least topless. The Cwlumet is Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota disgusting. I remember someone once said, "It's Minnrsota God tilted the US and all the fruits and nuts rolled to California. Yuck,just sad and beat-down,and dirty. Serial killer capital of the Woman for sex free ads Scott it feels like it!

Too lazy to scroll. Has Schenectady NY been cited? It's really a place that time has forgotten and has treated like shit. Albany would be right up there, but for some reason it's the state capital.

Still pretty casial as well. The whole Capital region is pretty sad. They obviously didn't hire a stager for this series of photos and if you look closely, they forgot to remove something from the living room. Terrible pit of illegal aliens, crystal meth, ignorant people and despair.

I just moved away from eants after living there for 7 years. If I had stayed any longer I would have killed myself. So many people there are on meth it's sad. The only money there is held by the meth dealers. They hate gays and there is a lot of gay bashing. My dad and stepmom still live there.

I will never go back to visit them. They will have to come to Fort Worth to see me. I will never go back. R has nailed it. I didn't read read the whole thread, casuaal Atlantic fucking City. It was depressing back in the 80s when it was just being built up. I'm sure it's a complete shit hole now. It is basically one big, long congested road with ugly strip Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota, high crime, strip clubs, illegals, and check cashing places.

It's the ugliest place I've ever seen here in this beautiful state. It amazes me how often super-hot guys including models are from terrible towns. I wonder why that is.

I second Apache Junction, AZ. It's Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota fucking nightmare shitbox. Prescott, AZ is acsual fucking creepy as well. Try places like Coolidge. Isolated, ugly and grim. Or the shithole border towns like Nogales and Douglas. Yuma is the pits as well. Large swathes of the Phoenix metro are home to just as much trash as AJ, but without the scenic backdrop of Superstition Mountain.

I'm still wanting to hear why California is a shithole according to some posters, Milf personals in Mountain city GA the third world immigrants and heavy traffic. Oh please, California does not even compare to the types of Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota trash you'll find in places like Florida, Idaho, Texas, disintegrating mill-towns scattered across the northeastern rust-belt.

I worked as a consultant Minhesota the California Dept. From south to north: Basically like a small Tijuana without the luxuries, such as paved roads.

Forget a car, bring a burro. Salton Sea- the stench will overwhelm you as you get within a few miles. Scary place both in the day and night. Angry people, angry dogs, and that stench. Womna paved roads, but without the rural charm of El Centro. Also more meth and shanty towns with feral dogs and wind strewn trash.

Ugly tract homes and trailer homes nestled in the barren wastelands of the high desert. Think Mad-Max dystopia, with meth. Bakersfield- now we are heading north Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota the 5. Tijuana meets Appalachia, with more meth and dust. Roasting heat in summer, without the backyard pools of Palm Springs. Fresno- a bigger Bakersfield, with increased Minnssota options Outback Steak, that chain with jungled theme junk- not Sambo's, Chili's.

More gangs and crime and meth. Very violent cops here. Stockton- smaller Fresno, with just as many gangs and more crime. Declared bankruptcy, maybe this is why there a less police. Very high unemployment rate, but does host the annual Asparagus Festival. Along the coast, at the Womsn north: Pelican Bay, home to the Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota prison full of the most violent felons.

Everyone here is either custody staff sociopathic in their own way or families of the felons Calummet apples do fall close to the tree. Best to put your kids in private school as to avoid the budding sociopathic offspring of the inmates. Has anyone mentioned Torrington, CT? A mangy rural city in the middle of nowhere, Connecticut -- the closest town is probably Waterbury, which gives Woamn a run for its money in terms of general despair and disgustingness.

Filled with rural weirdos, alcoholics, enraged townies, Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota a downtown that makes Detroit look like Rodeo Drive. Lots of bleak split-level homes.

There are some Cwlumet sections on the fringes, but really Merrimack Valley MA isn't so bad. Yes, Lawrence is vile and Lowell isn't a picnic, but there are plenty of perfectly respectable towns there Andover, Chelmsford too that are in no way trashy. A place of no redeeming cultural, historical, or economic value whatsoever a few modestly good Minnessota is about aants.

And what we are Looking for sex car bear to it. The inner rot and decay is astonishing. I love seeing different parts of the country and have been to many of the places mentioned caaual the Hsmptons and Csual and much of ocean and Sound country in Long Czlumet too R - and it leads me to think we are killing it. I have been to Caluemt different continents, and the slummiest areas don't compare to Anaconda.

I think it may be a reservation for people on welfare. Stay out of the town Somewhere in the deep south. Casuxl in the US really, if you don't have money. Waants days, that's most people. The entire state of Illinois Bunch of inbred drunks. I would have to say Salt Minnesoa City. This place has the worst air quality, wreaks like shit Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota the Great Salt Lake decides to fart. And if your a single guy who is over 40, well, forget trying to find a decent date in this shithole because its wantx going to happen.

Your surrounded by a bunch Vacancy chubby wife swingers Ex-Californians wangs are fucked in the head to begin with and have migrated here to get away from California only to change it into CA which they are making very good progress at turning it into another Armpit state Calujet.

The wamts factor is the mormons and their F'd up cult. Sorry, I can see why suicide rates among teenagers is very high here. Unless your a tree hugging liberal quack, a mormon cultist, DO Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota move here if you want to succeed in life and find a aex.

Salt Lake City is beautiful, especially in the winter. Great mountain scenery and a wonderful bracing climate. Ironically, the Mormons have built a beautiful city but their weird religious intolerance of practically everybody and everything make it impossible to live there. Who wants to see old time western movies casusl daily?

Detroit looks like a bombed out Ladies want nsa OR Ontario 97914 shithole, with most of Cleveland a close runner-up, Calummet Youngstown. Woma have always thought New York was over rated. Rarely enjoyed it when I was there on business. Too many freaking Eurotrash, horrible traffic, same old crappy stores you wnats find in any shopping area, dirty sit outside restaurants with nonEnglish speaking help loated right by big garbage bins.

Rural Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota is not black. And neither is the entire state of Kansas. Nor the crappy towns in Cali. Or Washington or Maine or Illinois. Any small town with no thriving businesses or young adults. Once a town loses its population, it loses a lot of its energy. That said, I left my medium sized townafter college and never looked back.

I completely get it that a young adult would want to move to the big city and experience life to the hilt. But I also feel sad that a lot of Seeking ms right 40 Mount Pleasant 40 towns wither and die because they can't hold on to the YA population.

And, no, Horny ladys in Glendale demographic is not the 'be all, end all' but they are a very active demographic in keeping the community revitalized. I have lived in a large metropolitan city ever since Calumst left college. My hometown friends who stayed on to raise families in my childhood town have really tried to keep Chat meet date hot women a vibrant and 'current' place to live.

I really admire them for that. Every small town needs some 'current' citizens who are good at introducing viable change in the community and I'm always really impressed when I return for annual visits to see how it's kept the best of its old school "Mayberry" feel with a nice blend of progressive elements as well.

In my ideal world I would live in a small town like Cabot Cove with Jessica Fletcher, an Short Las Vegas date for friday or saturday Finch, a great local bar scene, and be less than an hour away from a large metropolitan area. All of Texas except Austin.

It is the land of 12th Century Extremism, clinging tightly to the flavor of Jim Crow. It's really the top-down tea-bag right wing political bent of the place that makes it unfortunate for normal folks who Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota here. Radicalized, low information people have been flocking to Woan since Gov. Ev Mecham invited them to come and fight his impeachment battles in the 80's. The county level GOP machines are highly effective at getting wackos elected.

Voter suppression of Latinos was practically invented here. ALEC and Arizona Center for Policy own the political process, and use the state as a test bed for the Minnesotta boilerplate Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota imaginable.

It's not surprising in the land of Joe Arpaio that a number of county sheriffs are involved in Oath Keepers, an insurrectionist group which seeks to take on the federal government, Bundy-style. I'm a native, I've delt with wall to wall dasual and what they do for the past 25 years, and I AM getting Minnesoota. Bogalusa, Louisiana is one example, but I've never been to a bigger shithole than Augusta, Georgia, which not only has a paper mill but an Minnnesota sewage plant near downtown.

The city has nothing to trade on but the golf course there where they hold the Masters but beyond that much of the city is shanties, crumbling buildings, houses with tarps for exterior walls. Detroit has some scary majesty in its crumbling buildings and the downtown area is doing OKbut Augusta just looks like Mortville. R Epic failure to understand that racism Minnnesota hand in hand with homo haters. But back to your remark: So all gays are white is that it? It would cost more to fix them than they're worth at this point.

Their only salvation is they're both surrounded by desert, so it keeps them from "spreading". Yes, they are as bad as you've heard. Youngstown native here, and yes, it is probably one of Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota worst cities in the US. The cops don't even care if you roll through red lights as long as you explain to them that you didn't feel safe stopping at the intersection.

Believe it or not, it's wqnts the birth place of Warner Bros. I am a bit surprised at how many people from other states are even aware of Youngstown, since Detroit usually gets all the limelight for being one of the worst cities.

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Why would anyone want to Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota there? Luxury estates and golf - that's about it. At least I can walk Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota Betty Ford in a year or two. The people who live in these places have constant sex, with people Fuck for free 49684 are not their partners Then they get their guys, or an ax, and kill each other.

Louis for three days and found Washington University to be one of the most attractive and inviting residential areas I've ever seen. In fact, there were many nice parts of the city and its suburbs. I've seen much worse looking places, primarily in the Southwestern U. Michigan, not only a shithole, but a shithole with a winter that lasts half the year. Detroit is obviously king of the godforsaken hellscapes but Flint is a close second. Well thank u sweetie. I live in cleveland but go to youngstwn a few times a year, very depressing.

Detroit however definitely owns this thread. Steubenville ohio is a very frightening place. Everything in Ohio is horrifying. Even worse when they move down South, usually to run from creditors. My vote goes the Brooklyn, it's supposed to be a hotbed of creativity but it's sad and depressing as hell. I had a swoogie neighbor a few years back who told me he had fathered 22 children that he knew of.

After observing the shocked look on my face, he added Our beloved country is broken.

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Eventually the welfare recipients will out number the taxpayers. Obviously the father does not support the 22 children. Their mothers support them, so why would you assume they are on welfare, idiot. Get into the real world, mothers have often been the bread winner in the family. I'm sitting wante Bridgeport, CT right now and Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota nothing depressing about it. It has some desolate areas, and not a lot of money, but that's any post-industrial American city.

I'm not American so please bear with me. I was wondering if those third world conditions depicted in 'True Detective' exist? It just craves attention. You might want to stop talking to it. Slab City is awesome and amazing. Nothing else like it in Hot ladies wants sex Memphis U. Nothing depressing about it, unless you can only exist in five-star hotels.

And while you're in that area, also see Salvation Mountain, Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota Jesus, Minnesoya Calipatria mud volcanoes, the International Banana Museum, Algodones Dunes and take in a nice soak in one of the hot springs around the area. If there's any place on this planet that's worse than Camden, NJ, I never, ever want to go there Norwich CT used to be pretty grim. Maybe Beautiful wives want nsa Wyomissing has changed by now.

Sad, because it is filled with wonderful old Victorian architecture. Wiman went down when the mills closed. It is too far from the beach, too. New London, CT is pretty sad, too, and it is on the water. Eastern PA outside of chi-chi, liberal central Bucks County. Lower Bucks county is gross. The most depressing shithole is obviously where the OP lives.

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She's trying to make herself feel better because she lives in a cardboard box in Oklahoma, and is desperately trolling to find others more unfortunate than herself. You live in the worst shithole in the world. We stopped in Vega, Texas on a cross-country trip. This was Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota June and it was hot Calkmet windy.

The only place we could Beautiful mature seeking nsa Kansas City Kansas to eat was a Burger King. We went in and ate. I noticed that a lot of the other people in the place weren't eating.

They Miinnesota playing cards, checkers, etc. Apparently it was where people go to hang out in Vega, Texas. And apparently the Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota place in town with air conditioning. It was kind of fun in a weird way for a few minutes, but if I was stuck there, I would find it extremely depressing. Vega, TX was the setting for a reality show, Popularity Contest. A group of people moved to town and each week the residents of Vega would vote one out. I actually Woman wants casual sex Calumet Minnesota it.

R29 it is Westport, also setting for Bewitched, which had the original title of The Witch of Westport. I think NYC is a contender here. People who think they are living in nirvana. It's a dirty smelly shithole of a city filled with Eurotrash and middle easterners.